Curse

Exoudeous · Sep 16, 2006, 07:13 PM // 19:13

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Originally Posted by Ombrepierre

You're wrong, I look at my character's face very often. Because :

1. I like to take a lot of screenshots during my adventures
2. I'm a roleplayer, and I spend a lot of time to talk with the rp community, trying to be at my best face *smile* Yes, it's very important. Really.
3. It's (it was, now, maybe ? GAILE!!! Please, help me!) a very beautiful warrior girl

You still are over reacting to it, I dont really care if you enjoy rping, its barely any diffrent from the original face. I work as a characiture artist at an amusment park, I draw people all day and its my job to make exagerated faces based on features, and Im telling you there is almost no diffrence in the face, and the diffrence that was made was for the better cause the lips dont look fake like they did before, stop crying. If the lips changing on your video game character make you this upset then you really need to rethink your life.

None of these images people are posting are showing their characters look bad, they just have a slight diffrence. and because of that everyone is running around sayng "OMG FACE IS TEH DIFFRENT IM MIND GUNNA SPLOAD. I CAN NOT HANDLE CHANGE, MY WORLD IS THE RUIND!!!!!111111"

Darth Marth · Sep 16, 2006, 07:32 PM // 19:32

Before:

After:

Don't try and say this is not a small change. My Mesmer was my best looking character, until recently. His face has always been my favorite, until they added makeup! I can barely stand to look at his face uncovered now.

It only happens when he's facing the light; his face is normal when facing away. I've had and loved my Mesmer for eight months, spending thousands of platinum and hours on him. ANet, PLEASE don't force him to cover his once-perfect mug with a mask for the rest of his days! I know this is probably just a consequence of the "glitch" being fixed, but I implore you, PLEASE do something, anything, about this!

EDIT: An yes, both of these pictures were taken at the same angle, with my character facing the light source.

Tien ak · Sep 16, 2006, 07:56 PM // 19:56

Im sorry but I don't understand why people are going aganinst peoples opioions and also I don't understand why yet again, Arena net seem to be were not changing it deal with it.

Also gaile how can you say it doesn't matter, so your saying that all these RPG's you've played you wouldn't mind if a company chaged your character, and lets just say you didn't like it, then one of the staff memebers says tough. How is this good customer support? you expect me to buy your expansion after ruining my game don't make me laugh.

You all might think oh well your going over the top, well thats only beacuse certain people like to

A) couse proberlem and just disagree without thinking about how the person effected.

B) their not infected and find it funny winding everyone up.

End of day your only ruining Guild wars for yourselves, many people are angry about this change, and some very good ideas have been said such as the optioion to change it back.

Gaile please don't try and ignore anouther mistake of Arena net's by trying to shut a thread down or completly ignoring the issue by pinning the blame on your customers saying how were the proberlem.

I've also noticed which has to be honest wound me up the most how all the Oriental looking characters look fine and they've had the improvements yes but look the same no stupid teath showing.

I find it hard to understand how a comapany who has came from Blizzard one of the best companies around can just turn around to thousands of customers who are not happy with this change and say "hey sorry guys but your overreacting...you know this thread is over close it please...no wait a second please buy Nightfall

" I mean seriously are taking the mick do you want me to buy more chapters? treating me like you own me and that once i've bought your game you own everything I do isn't my kind of fun.

It's like buying a car for the look then someone from the company and putting bright Yellow and pink spots all over it then when you ask to change it back they say " hey your totaly overreacting...wana buy anouther car?

"

Y.T. · Sep 16, 2006, 07:57 PM // 19:57

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Originally Posted by nitrile

I would however like to report one thing on this thread we're told is maybe being monitored and point out this long running glitch to people, and which I hope could be fixed -

It occurs with the camera pulled right back (which is why it's such a small picture) and while running forwards. It's more difficult to get a screenshot of it than I thought but is very obvious when moving.

thats why i never crafted fow skirt.... it might be no so easy to get a ss of ur own char, but its pretty noticeable in-game on teammates...

deathnite · Sep 16, 2006, 08:04 PM // 20:04

i found an error on some ele faces but not all of them, i checked the face under different lighting and it doesnt go away, this must be a facial error tho, on the top upper portion of the lips its really really choppy, the first pic and second one are under different lighting too, please fix this

....the choppiness wasnt here be4 the update and i dont see why lips should be choppy for any reason :\

Riken Chrono · Sep 16, 2006, 08:04 PM // 20:04

my mesmer looks old and has almost no hair O.o

Solange · Sep 16, 2006, 08:09 PM // 20:09

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Originally Posted by prism2525

Are you serious? Her expression was much better before to me. ah and also, this is her face after the 19/5 update:

Thanks to anet for reducing the retarded look, i really appreciate that although i still prefered the 1st look/expression. That chin is still a bit large, I think. maybe my eyes are playing jokes on me but is it possible to help her? PLS, she is only 1 year old and doesn't deserve to stay like that!

Noticeable here and same with my female elementalists

There is a dark outline and a change to the eyes that gives them this less intelligent look and more HEY GUYS I LIKE SEXY TIME! HIGH FIVE!

WasAGuest · Sep 16, 2006, 08:33 PM // 20:33

Interesting: Gaile completely dodged the "stylist" question making only a mention that it's not an issue of...

Let's try again worded differently out of respect for another person rather than a customer and fellow gamer:

To Gaile G. or Alex W. - Since the new looks on the character may not appeal to some people (fellow indiviudals who share a game interest); is Ant planning on adding in the feature to enable changing the character looks? This is a highly requested "feature"* and now would be a great time to add it in.

* This is a "feature" and not new content, and according to Anet, global features such as this will be free and availble to all - pending Anet renaming said feature as new content or simply calling it an option.

My consern now, seeing that the question was completely dodged and since I worded it politely and in good measure, is that my "sarcastic joke" about Anet charging for a stylist (ala Maple Story) might indeed be something Anet is looking into. Care to debunk that consern or at least shed some light on this?

Thanks in advance for taking the time to respond.

Age · Sep 16, 2006, 08:43 PM // 20:43

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Originally Posted by WasAGuest

hehe, no I meant Giving the players the ablility to change the characters looks via an interface or NPC or something. With the new looks those that do not like the new looks should be able to change "faces" and "hair" to something they do like.
Now that some characters no longer look like they used to when the players made them, Anet should finally release this mythical "stylist" and allow the players to self-"fix" and adjust their characters. Some of these characters are not exactly PvP only characters that can be re-rolled instantly with titles, amount of exp and armor in a five minute time frame. Some are over a year old with millions of exp (my ranger for example has 3 million exp, both protector titles and more - I would be ticked if she were suddenly ugly -hehe).

You mean you want an in game plastice surgeon I thought there was a suggestion for that?Check out Sardalac.

koa_Torqual · Sep 16, 2006, 08:48 PM // 20:48

After reading Gaile's post I am going to give up on this. So, the changes are corrections of bugs, and there will be no roll back. We are all overreacting.

Just remember, no-one asked A-Net to change our characters' appearance. This situation is of A-Net's making and - though players appreciate their efforts to mitigate it - it's not right for an A-Net employee to make us feel guilty for voicing dissatisfaction with something we don't like and didn't ask for. When you enforce changes on customers without warning you run this risk. A-Net have been in control of this, they made the decision to do it, and the choice of how to handle it has also been theirs. Personally I refuse to feel guilty. It's made out like we asked the art team to work the weekend to fix our character's faces. A-Net decided to change them in the first place, and made the change on a Friday. The subsequent problems could have been avoided by not messing in the first place with faces people had been using for over a year. Please A-Net don't blame consumers for your mistakes. No company that does this is ever right.

WasAGuest · Sep 16, 2006, 08:54 PM // 20:54

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Originally Posted by Age

You mean you want an in game plastice surgeon I thought there was a suggestion for that?Check out Sardalac.

Read again my question and take special note to whom it is addressed please. No offence, but I am looking for an official word on it, not more speculation or hopeful wishing from fellow posters. I'm also not looking for opponants towards highly requested features to reference other games nor am I seeking flameboys with no opinion outside of their own closed state of minds to bait and flame to try and close the thread.
I have also seen in Sanitarium the many (note MANY) requests for this feature there; I even reference it in my question as having seen the request before.
Again, I am happy with the changes on my characters as I can't really tell a difference. But for those who are not happy with, now would be a good time to put in a highly requested feature.

Edit: I took what Gaile said as a good thing, so I'm not complaining at the reason behind the change. It's a good change for the better of the game. I'm asking for (again) official word on whether the option to change appearance to a more appealing one (for those who are not happy with the looks now or before) is now in the works to offset this. Now would be a great time to put it in whether via a /command switch (ala EQ) or some NPC that can do it. We know GW Devs can put a NPC in really fast to alter shield stats (crimson carapce anyone?), so why it can't be done quickly with "looks" is really beyond me... again, unless they are planning on adaopting Maple Story business model and charging people for eye candy rather than content.

deathnite · Sep 16, 2006, 09:03 PM // 21:03

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Originally Posted by Exoudeous

so your guoing to coplain about such a slight change when 1 you wont be looking at your characters face while playing and 2 wouldnt be up that close.

seriously, its not like they gave you a totally new face, they just made it functional. The new face actualy looks better as teh old one doesnt even have the shape of a real human head.

"oh no anets the devil for changing my face for the better, why couldnt i keep the old horrible one"

Im sure you would also complain if your character had the old face yet looked retarded in cutscenes when its mouth moved.

most of you arnt even taking the before and after pictures in the same lighting sources.

this is all funny as hell. I bet all of you can't recognize clark kent as superman becasue he has glasses

i think the people who have instiagted this are the people who dont have problems with their chars or in other cases like the new changes on their chars, again thats great you might like the changes, but take into consideration the people who are upset and fustrated over this, a lot of peoples chars who are messed up happen to be their favorite and most played chars and were made over a year ago, with the most time and money invested into it. and to have that char changed really does make a difference to some people, i kno for myself my ele doesnt feel like my ele anymore, why not understand how others are feeling before u make stupid comments and posts to others who are upset about their chars

luinks · Sep 16, 2006, 09:35 PM // 21:35

my buns are still giant!

just kidding

i dont know if they fixed it, i can see a difference still, but not so noticeable in the size, maybe i cant see the change anymore

Moiax · Sep 16, 2006, 09:41 PM // 21:41

It may look minor to some, but you're not the person who opens the client every day. I opened it, and this was the first thing I noticed. I think it's great that they are getting the faces ready for movement, but I'm not a very big fan of the racoon eyes.

This may be another topic, but why do the tats always reset to default colors after logging the character out?

Frostlight · Sep 16, 2006, 09:53 PM // 21:53

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

About Eyes: Character eyes were not touched. No redrawn eyeliner. No accentuated features. Nothing at all. What was changed was a bug, a glitch, an error, that had lighting placed differently (incorrectly) below the eyes. So the eyes were always designed with the "eyeliner" that some of you have noted. With the corrections, the eyes are now more balanced between upper and lower lid; they have a full eyelid instead of a faded area near the bottom lid. So the new look to the eyes is not an error, this is the correction of an error. Obviously, we won't roll back to "readopt an error" in order to address personal preference. (If you look carefully at the "before" shots, there's a disturbing discordance in the colouration above and below the eye. There's a fuzziness and a blurring, even a lacking of certain art elements near the bottom lid. And that is what has been fixed.)

While personally I'm not really bothered by the updates, and appreciates the hard work being done by the artists, that line of reasoning somehow reminds me of George "now that I have improved technology, this was what I've meant to make all along!" Lucas.

With the bug/glitch corrected around the eyes, isn't it still possible to update the design so that the net effect comes to resemble the original look? (if it's too difficult, that's a different problem).

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Manager: Oh, yes. We found that the chef had been using less salt than what's on our recipe. We've now hired a new chef who uses the right amount of ingredients.

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Age · Sep 16, 2006, 09:56 PM // 21:56

From the 2 Monks above from what I can see is that of the Factions log in screen as to before and the now is just the Nightfall.I would say it is just the new enhanced features in it as well as the lighting.

Exoudeous · Sep 16, 2006, 10:04 PM // 22:04

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Originally Posted by deathnite

i think the people who have instiagted this are the people who dont have problems with their chars or in other cases like the new changes on their chars, again thats great you might like the changes, but take into consideration the people who are upset and fustrated over this, a lot of peoples chars who are messed up happen to be their favorite and most played chars and were made over a year ago, with the most time and money invested into it. and to have that char changed really does make a difference to some people, i kno for myself my ele doesnt feel like my ele anymore, why not understand how others are feeling before u make stupid comments and posts to others who are upset about their chars

nope my faces got it just like everyone else, its just that they look almsot exactly the same, so im not complaining.

people have yet to realize that all that was changed physically was the mouth, the rest is the lighting. And the lighting was something that did have a problem.

and to al those who are saying it affects them cause they have to look at the character everyday. Well you must not be playing the game and just siting in outposts all day, cause during gameplay you shouldnt be that upclose to your face. Not to mention that when you are in an outpsot your model is shown at a lower res to other people anyway so they wouldnt notice.

this is the stupidest thing in the world to complain about. If you dont like it then stop supporting anet and quit. go play barbie fashion model all day cause its obvious your not here to play an RPG

lyra_song · Sep 16, 2006, 10:11 PM // 22:11

One id like to say:

If Anet only setup lipsynching with expansions from 3 on up, and didnt update older models unless they had the expansion, people would seriously complain.

Ombrepierre · Sep 16, 2006, 10:14 PM // 22:14

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Originally Posted by Frostlight

With the bug/glitch corrected around the eyes, isn't it still possible to update the design so that the net effect comes to resemble the original look? (if it's too difficult, that's a different problem).

I agree, and hope that the thing is possible...
I understand the last message of Gaile. The light of original model was an error. But for a lot of players, the characters seemed with their advantage.
So, the Frostlight's idea would allow to satisfy all the community : try to find the original design (before the last update of the 9/15) with good lighting on eyes and lips...

Darth Marth · Sep 16, 2006, 10:17 PM // 22:17

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Originally Posted by Ombrepierre

I agree, and hope that the thing is possible...
I understand the last message of Gaile. The light of original model was an error. But for a lot of players, the characters seemed with their advantage.
So, the Frostlight's idea would allow to satisfy all the community : try to find the original design (before the last update of the 9/15) with good lighting on eyes and lips...

I agree. We don't want the glitch again, just its effects. If they can be replicated while having the lighting working, so much the better.